Fellowship of Presbyterians unveils name for ‘new Reformed body’

Breakaway ‘movement’ to be called Evangelical Covenant Order of Presbyterians (ECO)

January 19, 2012


The “new Reformed body” being created by the Fellowship of Presbyterians here this week will be called the Evangelical Covenant Order of Presbyterians, the 2,000 Presbyterians gathered here were told this morning (Jan. 19).

 “We thought about three words,” said the Rev. John Ortberg, pastor of Menlo Park (Calif.) Presbyterian Church. “’Evangelical’ because we are not afraid of the gospel. ‘Covenant’ because part of our treasure is that our God is a covenant-making God and churches ought to be in covenant with each other. ‘Order’ because we commit to a way of life together so that God can raise up a new order of Christians.”

 The acronym for the new denomination ― participants here will adopt a new doctrinal statement which includes the Book of Confessions of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) and a new polity as well as a mission statement and list of values ― is ECO, Ortberg added.

 It comes from the word “oikos,” Ortberg explained, “which means ‘household’ and implies thriving organisms and healthy eco-systems … and affirms our conviction that denominations exist to serve churches, not the other way around.”

 “’Of Presbyterians’ is also part of the name because we are Presbyterians, after all,” Ortberg said.

 That congregations are central to ECO is evident in its mission statement: “To build flourishing churches that make disciples of Jesus Christ.”

 But a vision is not enough, said the Rev. John Crosby, pastor of Christ Presbyterian Church in Edina, Minn. “It must be informed by values.”

 Crosby outlined the nine values of ECO:

  • Jesus-shaped Identity ― “the key is making disciples rather than orthodox believers.”
  • Biblical Integrity – “A faith that is not just taught but shapes the life of your community.”
  • Thoughtful Theology – “not papers for intellectuals but rearing followers who are able to reflect and apply their faith to their lives.”
  • Accountable Community – “caring environments that allows integral faith to emerge.”
  • Egalitarian  Ministry – women and minorities in leadership.
  • Missional Centrality – “the whole of the gospel to the whole of the world; what would you lose if your church went away?”
  • Center-focused Spirituality – “calling people to the core of Christianity, not fixating on the boundaries ― we are NOT truth cops.”
  • Leadership Velocity – “growing and developing leaders who are culture-changing, risk-taking innovators.”
  • Kingdom Vitality – “congregational life is not about size, but trajectory.”

 “These values,” Crosby said, “will make and keep us a movement, not a bureaucracy.”

 Ortberg and Crosby emphasized that creation of ECO will be time-consuming and “messy.”

 “This is an uncertain time,” Crosby said, noting that 60 percent of respondents to a pre-gathering survey said they were in “a period of discernment” about denominational alignment. “We are not angry, we are determined … we are not ‘after’ or ‘against’ them ― we all need time, space and grace …. We want to flesh out the options and then let God lead so we have the sense that we’re all working together.”

 Ortberg agreed. “We want to honor, not dishonor, our brothers and sisters in the PC(USA),” he said. “Why bother? What problem are we trying to solve? The problem is not denominational ambiguity or ecclesiastical disunity or even ineffectiveness; we are doing this because people are going to hell and Jesus came to save them and we must be instruments of that salvation.”

 Ortberg said hell prevails “every time a child is neglected or a marriage ends or a lie gets told or money gets hoarded or generations get divided or a workplace becomes oppressive or a culture of shamelessness emerges.”

 Too many churches settle for “pretty good” and “pretty good is not okay with Jesus,” Ortberg said. “Our job is to put hell out of business.

 “I have no desire to be part of a church that believes pretty good is okay while the gates of hell remain open,” Ortberg continued.

 “I want to be part of a community that is willing to give everything we have to fulfill the redemptive purpose God has set before us. God has done it before, God will do it again,” he said. “Will you devote your life to be part of such a church?”


  1. My own church is suddenly in the throes of deciding if we will join with the EOC. This is so sad as we have always been a tolerant congregation and now those heading the EOC change are causing much strife. I find it interesting that there is a tie to political views in all of this. Tossing around the word "liberal" asi f it describes a group of heathens and "conservative" as if they alone know what God wants. Even the Catholic Church has congregations that are more tolerant of differences than was once the case. I haven't seen this movement led by any younger people, but by older, politically conservatives. Just as in national politics, the older conservatives seem to feel they have a corner on the market of truth. I'm 64, and I don't believe that they do. My congregation is in a small rural town and if we are suddenly split apart, it could well be the death of the church as it might only leave 20 to support the entire ministry. Personally, I don't see this as a good movement - as in good for the Presbyterian church. We have always had persons of different views in our midst and tolerated them well. Those wanting to actively evangelize were encouraged to do so, and those who wanted to simply support that effort, did so. I am not sure what I will do after being in the same congregational family all my life, but it looks like my daughter and her family will be leaving. It is so sad.

    by Sharon Current

    July 24, 2014

  2. I am amused, perplexed, horrified, and a plethora of other descriptive words over this split between PCUSA and ECO Presbyterians. I think what is being forgotten by everyone is the fact that Jesus Christ formed one church. Essentially, Jesus said, "You are Peter. You are the rock on which I built my Church". I don't remember Jesus or Paul saying anything about Jesus' one true church then having license to splinter 400+ years later. Maybe I missed something. I am not a Catholic, but would describe myself as a conservative member of the PCUSA. I understand that the Catholic Church became quite corrupt after the Fall of Rome, and needed to be reformed. I still don't remember it saying anywhere in the bible that it was okay to break away from the church Jesus asked Peter to start. However, we as a people have decided that it is alright to do so. I have always wondered what God is going to say to me when it's my time to be judged about being a Presbyterian rather than a Catholic. Maybe God will give me "what for" as a result of not being a Catholic. Maybe He will give me some penance before I can enter heaven because I am so arrogant as to think being a conservative member of the PCUSA is better than belonging to His church. I am concerned and a more than a little heart broken over my beloved PCUSA being splintered by a group of people who are so arrogant as to think that they are better than those who remain at PCUSA. Should they not try to try to repair things from within our body. Apparently not. I witnessed a practicing lesbian resoundingly turned away from being the minister of a PCUSA, sending the message, "This is not alright with us". I do believe that arrogance and pride is figuring strongly into this split. I still think God isn't going to be terribly pleased with me when I have to explain to him why I splintered away from the Church that He commissioned to Peter to begin to represent Him. I think He's going to scold me for my arrogance. I always remember what my favorite professor in college had to say about people and God (we addressed as Reverend Doctor). He said that although human change and have changed over our known history, we have assumed that God has changed with us. Our knowledge of our recorded history has happened in what is only a blink of his eye go God. God never changes. I think we had all better think about how we're going to explain everything to Him when it's our turn.

    by Laurie MacTaggart

    March 7, 2014

  3. I am heartbroken over the manner in which we Presbyterians are mis-behaving. We are becoming the stereotype of what our detractors pronounce us to be. With regard to the unspoken "gay" issue, how hypocritical can we (the PCUSA) be. Folks, its not about THAT sin. It is about ALL sin. All who seek God through Christ should be welcome in our midst. However in my opinion, anyone who actively seeks to continue a sinful lifestyle, sexual or otherwise, should not be an ordained leader in the church. With regard to the ECO, the thinly veiled rationale for their split is offensive to me as a Christian. Jesus calls us not to judge, as we have no right to do so. I find their failure to adhere to their own tenets (specifically item E 10 - resist the pull of envy, greed, and acquisition, ..... ) given their aggressive pursuit to claim $30+ million of property that belongs to the PC(USA) to be hugely hypocritical. I pray that the Presbyterian Church will find a way to stand together so that the tenets of the Reformed Faith and inspired wisdom of John Calvin do not fade away. Grace, Peace and Love to all of our brothers and sisters in Christ as we try to hear God speak to us about this issue.

    by Mark Snyder

    December 3, 2013

  4. ECO came about when God found disfavor with the heretical PCUSA. When you proclaim that there are other means of salvation besides Jesus as the Christ and you ignore Biblical injunctions against illicit sex you have condemned yourself to death. This has been the lot of the PCUSA and the reason for the formation of ECO.

    by Larry Lewis

    June 26, 2013

  5. A brief review of the posts here confirms for me that modern Protestantism is like the children of Israel waiting for Moses to descend from Mount Sinai with the Law. We have convinced our Pastors (like Aaron), to fashion for ourselves a golden calf, a god we can worship, not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and not the God of the Apostles. This God, the real and living God, seems distant, not because he has left us, but because we have left him. And we, like the children of Israel, are wondering in the wilderness longing for Egypt. We are unanchored from the faith of the early church Fathers and running after false gods- the gods we have created to suit our sinful lifestyles. The ECO and the FOP are baby steps toward closing the vast chasm between the modern social club called the protestant church, and historical Christianity. The current state of the protestant Church brings into question the legitimacy of the reformation itself. We continue to fracture the one true holy and Catholic and Apostolic Church until it is merely another social club with a label that medicates us, and makes us feel better about our lives. It seems the ideological or “spiritual” children of the early reformers, some 500 years later, have thrown the baby out with the bath water…. We must return to our roots, produce good fruit, preserver to the end, make our election sure, and be true to our baptismal covenant. Otherwise, we are deluding ourselves and our children comfortably into hell. A re-reading of the early church fathers, the primary reformers, the guiding documents of the church, and the plain reading of Holy Scriptures will serve as guideposts back to an authentic Christianity. Unfortunately, I don’t think many can stomach the needed changes. The ECO and the FOP have already started on a weak foundation because they are not holding to the teaching of the Apostles. Specifically, ordaining women to fill positions as pastors is contrary to the aforementioned body of teachings. A cursory reading of St. Paul’s Epistles succinctly settles the matter. This issue alone is an indication that we would rather have “Christianity” as we define it, not real Christianity. There has never really been a unified “Presbyterian Church” following the death of Calvin. I doubt that this effort will yield the necessary reforms, and represents yet another splinter of a fractured church.

    by R.E.McGuire

    December 27, 2012

  6. My husband and I are both elders in the PCUSA. In July of 2011 we left the local PCUSA affiliated church in Murfreesboro, TN, to attend a church which affirms the Word of God. Why the liberals invaded PCUSA in the first place and provided the yeast that led to the current anchorless state of the church instead of forming their own apostasy separate from PCUSA is a question I have been asking myself for decades. My husband says that it is because the liberal faction of the church is determined to ram their ideology down our throats as if we were bad children who refuse to eat our broccoli. We must be punished for our narrow-mindedness. Sadly, they believe that the Word of God isn't as authorative as the changing mores in society. Spiritually, the choice is simple: choose this day whom you will serve: the living God or Baal. Nevertheless, when in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the bands which have connected them with another, we should state our reasons for the separation, which we have already done, then say to PCUSA (Pharoah), "Let my people go!"

    by Deborah Koch

    July 16, 2012

  7. The timing of both the FOP and ECO leaves clear only one motive: keep homosexuals out of the church. Jesus never commented on homosexuality, and my PC(USA) church has always clung to the essential tenets of the faith and the scriptures. The church should be an "umbrella" which opens its heart to any who are seeking God and wish to serve Him. It breaks my heart to see what is happening to my beloved denomination.

    by Martha Vieten

    July 4, 2012

  8. Too much energy has been spent on debate and vote - victory and defeat. Ignoring the sacredness of the wife/husband bond is only the last straw. PCUSA open support for abortion, for me, is a big issue. So is PCUSA anti-Zionism. As is PCUSA support for the Democrat party political platform.

    by Bob B.

    May 1, 2012

  9. I look at the Church and wonder why the minsters who are leading the EOC did not start this mission about 35 years ago??? That was the day that the church decided that Homosexual was wrong and AID was the death to the world. Where were they then? This issue of Homosexual has been around now for over 35 years and these minsters are now just waking up and wanting something. I was told by a minster from Los Angles that the people we sent to General Assembly were uneducated and didn’t understand why they were there. This is a problem that the minsters have caused by not speaking up and electing people whom they has educated and leaded correctly. I agree with several writers here, we need to start over and education ALL with the book of confession and order and most of the entire BIBLE as it is the foundation of the PCUSA and not the social ways. Get Back to the Roots of the church and read, live, and express the values that many of us were brought up with.

    by E Moore

    March 23, 2012

  10. All of this sounds great except for one important point. The move to separate and form another group completely ignores Jesus' own commandment that we " love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples." John 13:36) I believe this mandate trumps all other issues over which we are calling for separation.

    by vartkes "kass" kassouni

    March 2, 2012

  11. It seems to me the Presbyterian Church USA is no longer willing to adhere to God's Word. Jesus forgives those who repent but He tells them to go and sin no more - not to make it a lifestyle.

    by Loreen Benjamin

    February 18, 2012

  12. When we no longer believe the bible to be the true word of God, when we sit in a pew and have the minister tell lus that if we believe in the virgin birth we are crazy,......then yes it is time to go......we aren't leaving the Presbyterian Church USA, the Church has left us....

    by Carolyn Robison

    February 13, 2012

  13. It's not the Fellowship that's breaking away. They are maintaining the purity of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ, His holy virgin. It is those who seek to allow blatant sin into the Church who are turning away from the Lord. Unity is not unity if it is not Christ-centered, just as love is not love if it is not Christ-centered. Tolerence is not the same as love and unity is not the same as purity.

    by Shea

    February 10, 2012

  14. This new movement should come out and state why they are breaking away: they want to exclude gays and lesbians from their church. The PC USA is not, as one commentor suggested, being"policitally correct" by including gays and lesbians. It is being moral, loving and embracing all God's people.

    by A. Bronson

    February 3, 2012

  15. How will we be united in our Christian beliefs when we don't have any desire to remain as one body. The changes, in question, does not come from Jesus' teachings or any mention in the Holy Scriptures. It is not a requirement according to Peter or Paul. Who are we to change because we feel comfortable in doing so? I have been a Presbyterian for a long time. I feel there are those who would do the Church harm by breaking away. I will not change.

    by Jim

    January 28, 2012

  16. If the reason for the "break away" is to be non-inclusive of gays, then be clear about it. State the facts. Don't be so evasive. And then I say read Acts. The early church was divided about including gentiles. Would we be part of the church today if they had followed "the letter of the law?" Exclusion, is that really the essence of the Gospel?

    by tomj

    January 27, 2012

  17. I add my sadness to this schism in our beloved PC (USA). What I don't comprehend at all is that the chief issue is about ordination of practicing gays and lesbians. The PC(USA) currently accepts gays and lesbians into our congregations as professing member but draws the line at ordination. I've always thought this policy was schizophrenic. Perhaps ECO churches will simply not accept gays and lesbians and that will solve their sense of what is right. Beyond this my lack of comprehension derives from the fact that there are many deeply committed Christians who understand the handful of scriptures about same-sex relationships in different ways. Interpretation based on honest and Spirit-led exegesis makes cases that are in conflict. Current knowledge and experience with what homosexuality means belies the stereotype of evil reprobates that were conjured up in former times. The chief examples must be those gay and lesbians who were brought up in our homes and churches and have great love and gifts for God. Theses are the faces we must look into with our judgements. So why is this the watershed that causes schism? If I read John 17 and 1 Corinthians 1,2 correctly, schism is a much more serious evil than whatever is described in those few and complex texts about same-sex relations. I could name many other issues that are much more serious to Jesus, Paul and scripture in general that don't even get mentioned in this debate. To be be happy about this schism simply does not compute if the intergrity of scripture is to be maintained. It took the early church centuries to clarify the thinking that would unify us as Jesus' followers in the creeds. We've contended only a few decades over this issue. Why not wait and work within the unity bought for us so dearly?

    by Jim Kutz

    January 27, 2012

  18. I---and I suspect tens of thousands of Presbyterians--- affirm each of the nine values of ECO. Pardon me for wondering if there aren't a whole lot of other values that have gone unmentioned. Otherwise, why would there be a need for a "new reformed body"? A greater dose of honesty would be really helpful here. Although the gates of hell will not prevail against the church, putting hell out of business is not OUR job, it's God's. Our job is to bind up those who've been broken by hell and so to live into God's realm that is coming. Demonstrable unity would help.

    by Tom Gibbons

    January 27, 2012

  19. I---and I suspect tens of thousands of Presbyterians--- affirm each of the nine values of ECO. Pardon me for wondering if there aren't a whole lot of other values that have gone unmentioned. Otherwise, why would there be a need for a "new reformed body"? A greater dose of honesty would be really helpful here. Although the gates of hell will not prevail against the church, putting hell out of business is not OUR job, it's God's. Our job is to bind up those who've been broken by hell and so to live into God's realm that is coming. Demonstrable unity would help.

    by Tom Gibbons

    January 27, 2012

  20. If the goal is: ~"Thoughtful Theology – 'not papers for intellectuals but rearing followers who are able to reflect and apply their faith to their lives.'” then there needs to be some significant re-writing to make this sound like what an ordinary person would say. Sorry, but to me this comes across as a combination of a) trying not to be offensive and thus b) avoiding coming right out and saying what you mean. This document ends up being so general and vague that I feel that it adds little other than placing the focus on certains areas of thought (which are already key areas of the PCUSA.) Also, while I can appreciate Mr. Ortberg's passion ["Too many churches settle for “pretty good” and “pretty good is not okay with Jesus."], I also know that most churches really ARE doing the best the can amidst many stresses. This only makes me feel angry that Mr. Ortberg (and others) are making blatant judgments about churches that they don't know at all. Churches need encouragement and support; NOT demeaning, guilt-producing harangues. Mr. Ortberg does NOT know "what Jesus thinks is OK" any more than any others. Despite what he may think, this is NOT helpful.

    by Rob Stewart

    January 26, 2012

  21. I'm trying to wrap my head around how a "break away body" of people within the denomination can choose for itself a new Book of Confessions, tenants of faith and a new polity, and still call itself PC(USA). I would support such a movement if they would support such a movement on the other side. Would the fellowship support a similar "break away body" that adopted for itself a polity that allowed same sex marriage and ordination of GLBT persons? Or does the Fellowship believe it has exclusive rights to determine how scripture should be interpreted?

    by Bob

    January 24, 2012

  22. Donna Fargo's country song of the "70's said "Here I am a stranger in the house I grew up in, and learned right from wrong in, if I did." I have felt like a stranger in my house for a long time and the "right and wrong" that I was taught have been dismissed by my church. The gathering in Orlando was an opporunity to see a new vision of our church, a chance to witness a dream for what we can be. Beyond the local church, this gathering was the first time in 20 years that I have felt at home in a gathering of pastors and elders.

    by greg loskoski

    January 23, 2012

  23. The trend of ALL mainline churches is one of decline. Any change to reverse that trend will be furthering God's Kingdom. Change is always hard. When the early church became complacent, the acts of the Roman gov't on the early church created a diaspora that grew the church in ways that were unexpected. But change for change's sake is NOT the focus...it's a change focused on grow God's church. That change is hard, challenging AND, in the words of Rev Ortberg..."Messy". And in the context of our "Presbyterianism": Decently and in Order.

    by Evelyn Lee

    January 22, 2012

  24. I cant help but think that if all the energy that it takes and will take to form yet another form of 'church' or what ever you want to call it were simply put into sharing the great love of Jesus Christ what a difference we all could make for the Kingdom. All these years of arguing over ordination have only given the devil the upper hand and kept us from kingdom work. As I understand this NOTHING has changed IF your Church does not want it too. The same is true for the Presbytery.

    by Candy Reid

    January 21, 2012

  25. The problem is not denominational ambiguity or ecclesiastical disunity or even ineffectiveness; we are doing this because people are going to hell and Jesus came to save them and we must be instruments of that salvation. How does splitting from the PC(USA) honor those in the PC(USA)? It would be nice if the Fellowship would just say what they mean instead of putting a spin on it. How is the PC(USA) church as it is today not doing what the above statement says the Fellowship wants to do? It seems to me that the real reason for this split is because Fellowship members are afraid of homosexuals. The Holy Spirit is moving in this world and these folks are running in the opposite direction. The PC(USA) church is trying to allow individual churches to follow the Spirit at their own pace. There is no legitimate reason to split.

    by Sherry Word

    January 21, 2012

  26. Sorry John, I don't believe we bring new life to the Body of Christ by causing schism and tearing the Body apart. I doubt that Jesus is impressed with what you're doing. But then, big steeple preachers have big steeple egos. Cheers, Ed

    by Ed White

    January 21, 2012

  27. Breakaway ‘movement’? Breakaway?! Poor title. As I understand it this group has bent over backwards to allow a both/and for those who want that. One can be a part of this and still a completely loyal PC(USA) member. The wise move would be for PC(USA) leadershi--and the whole church--to take a deep breath and to allow for this. These people are following the rules. Let's not break our rules to try to prevent them from doing what some might not like.

    by GKentC

    January 21, 2012

  28. Is this Presbyterian without gay people?

    by Kim Reeder

    January 20, 2012

  29. ECO conveniently also stands for "Extra Commitment Opportunity", the way of giving additional support to mission of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) I am sad to see yet another division occur in the Body of Christ but pray those leaving the PC(U.S.A.) and those of us who remain within it will find it possible to worship, to accept others into worship and to "do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with 'our' God". (Micah 6:8 - NRSV)

    by Joseph Keesecker

    January 20, 2012

  30. I am amazed that so many people are saddened by a new church movement. Where were these saddened folks when the decision was finally made to accept that which God rejects? I do not understand the sadness at this moment.

    by Steve King

    January 20, 2012

  31. ECO is not an attempt at perfection, just faithfulness. The PC(USA) has drifted so far from its foundational moorings it is no longer the denomination to which I was ordained in 1976. I see in ECO an attempt to restaish a basis for Biblical Presbyterianism.

    by William Ekhardt

    January 20, 2012

  32. The values statements seem like false choices. To say, “the key is making disciples rather than orthodox believers,” is a false choice. By definition a "right-believer" is a doer, a student, a disiciple. Belief (laet's call it cognitive), trust (operative) and faith (formative) are all one. It strikes me as more rhetorical than substantive--that is, in the bad sense, a collection of shibboleths from church literature the last 25 years. They do not articulate how separation from the existing structure helps them redeem the church or a person. I am left grasping for a conflict that is not named. All this can be said and done within the existing structure.

    by Keith Geiselman

    January 20, 2012

  33. In the light of this, let us continue to pray for the unity of the church in this global week of prayer for such unity. And with this problematic choice of a new acronym, my prayer is that we not confuse our shared commitments to be ECO-Stewards of God's creation: www.ecostewardsprogram.org

    by Rob Mark

    January 20, 2012

  34. I would be wary of language like "the Fellowship is" or "they are" -- there are a variety of views there. ECO is one thing happening there, and not all at the convention are for it or for joining it. I have heard that the tone and atmosphere is largely irenic, and (as hinted above) more about moving forward than settling scores. As for the rhetoric of "receiving everyone" -- yes, with repentance. I think my liberal colleagues sometimes forget that repentance of sin means stopping or struggling to stop the sin AND that some things we don't hold as sin, others do.

    by Arthur Shippee

    January 20, 2012

  35. It could be 'messier', and perhaps more time-consuming, to clean up the situation were in (rather than running from it); but will also, most likely, be infinitely more rewarding.

    by Andrew Gayley

    January 20, 2012

  36. I can't help but wonder if hell gets a chuckle out of Christians going off into their own silos in the name of purity. There are a lot of good things in here that need to apply to every church. But to divide up into sides so we don't have to deal with each other is not the way to do it.

    by Tom Robinson

    January 20, 2012

  37. It appears to me that these people, at least from what I could determine from the article, are sincerely looking at how to reform the Presbyterian church. From what I can tell, the question becomes, how do we change a direction of a church that we think is going in the wrong direction, towards one of political correctness, and in the process, diluting the effect of the written word of God, enough so, that if no coreections are made, will result in the church losing its saltiness. And if the correction is not made, at what point are we called to then to start over, instead of trying to reform and re-form again and again. All mainline protestant denominations are afflicted with this political correctness bug. The bug shows up as saying that we need tolerance, and if this tolerance is at odd with the Bible, then we change the Bible, instead of changing the political correct viewpoint. I fear that we have become too complacent, to accustomed to the appeasement mentality. One only has to look at Neville Chamberlain in 1938 to 1939, where he came back from Germany and proclaimed "Peace in our time". Sadly, in a little less than 2 years the world was engulfed in WWII. So a call to arms, a call back to Scripture, what does the Bible say and what is its relavance in a broken and fallen world in 2012. Or are we content to say, it doesn't affect me, and I can coast until I die. We were born for such a time as this, to stand up, and proclaim God's unfailing truth, especially to a world that has seemed to forget Him. I would like to know more about what this church stands for and who can become members.

    by Gene

    January 20, 2012

  38. So what part of “every time a child is neglected or a marriage ends or a lie gets told or money gets hoarded or generations get divided or a workplace becomes oppressive or a culture of shamelessness emerges” is the PCUSA not already addressing in its mission?

    by Ethan Raath

    January 20, 2012

  39. It looks like Tony Ward has swallowed the Covenant Network lie that Jesus "condemned no one and received everyone" One example Tony; the Pharisees. There are others. to Chris Clark: I am sorry for your sadness; MANY of us are happy!

    by John K Wilson

    January 20, 2012

  40. I guess my strongest reaction to this is sadness. I grew up in a denomination known for dividing itself over and over again so that people could fellowship with others of like mind, not reach across differences to redeem what was lost in the division. I wonder if this pleases a God of redemption. I keep thinking something is being lost.

    by Chris Clark

    January 19, 2012

  41. Sounds to me like the Fellowship is moving in the right direction. The Fellowship is committed to living out their faith and encouraging churches to be fruitful in their ministry by following Christ. The PC(USA) should welcome being in relationship with brother and sisters in Christ in the Fellowship who want to fulfill the great commission.

    by Bob Thomson

    January 19, 2012

  42. Sounds to me that they're trying to form the 'perfect' church and the 'perfect' Christian. There is no such thing. The core of values and practices, belief and tradition are founded on the life and the practices of Jesus Christ who condemed no one and received everyone. So . . . how are we doing in that category in our churches today?

    by Tony Ward

    January 19, 2012